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Talk:FutureOS

2006-09-05T01:20:48Z

84.151.237.42: /* What's about respecting some rules? */

==Questions...==

Hmm.. are there any applications for Future OS?
And can i really add any device and it will be recommended by the system without any device driver?
Unbelievable!! and much better than SymbOS then, isn't it? (Forgott to sign.. sorry.. but as i don't fear anything... here i am... [[User:Kangaroo|Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT]] 07:59, 28 August 2006 (CEST)

:Who are you? What is your name? Fear to sign? You seem not to be serious. But I try to answer serious.
:First you can't compare SymbOS and FutureOS. They're too different and therefore I use them both.
:Software for FutureOS is availabe in the Yahoo-Group, where you can download it.
:And yes, I try to support nearly all hardware for the CPC. Ok, some is still missing, but this will change soon I hope.
:About features: Ok, I haven't finished the new documentation in english. But if I look at other projects, I have to believe, so believe me too.
:That would only be fair.
:I have no time to explain the 126th time where some support function ist. RTFM, but the new version coming soon.

:Greets to all honest CPC sceners,
:TFM

:: Please try to keep your tone down. I'm letting this here as an example of what NOT to say. RTFM is NOT part of the language that will be tolerated here, if we want to keep a flame war out of our wiki; so please keep this in mind. And please don't jump to conclusions - several users still do not know about signing their entries! It seems to me the original poster was more positive than negative, so you could try and calmly answer to his questions, otherwise there's no reason in replying at all. This is NOT a debate room, and fights will NOT ('''NOT!''') be welcome here. You do not need to be apologetic (as you are in a couple of points) about anything that FutureOS may be lacking, since it's a wonderful system anyhow, but also taking it to the other extreme doesn't exactly help things either.

::Best regards,
::[[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 16:02, 10 August 2006 (CEST)

:::RTFM means Read The Futureos Manual, so where is the problem? That guy (without name) is allowed to vandalish my text? Why don't you stop him?

:::Anyhow, and why don't talk about something other very unfair. At the left side, below "the present" there is a line for SymbOS, why not FutueOS. I would like to please you to insert that line.

:::Greets
:::TFM

::::Can we please stop hiding behind our finger? We all know what RTFM means, so please drop it. I assume almost everyone here is of at least average IQ... As I said, this languages is NOT permitted on board. What's more, what do you mean about that guy being allowed to vandalise your text? What did he vandalise? What should I stop? I think there might be a big misunderstanding here... Anyhow, about the SIdebar, I don't think it's 'very unfair', as I've explained before. FutureOS may be indeed very, very nice a project and I find myself playing with it the whole time, but SymbOS, with the existing Symbiface, has long ago reached critical mass and is very impressive and popular, that's why it had its own link. This is NOT an issue of 'put my project up there along with the others', it's trying to organise things in a better way. In any case, the Sidebar was changed a lot, I'm going to look into it... [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 08:16, 11 August 2006 (CEST)

:That's something, which came to my mind very often! We should change the "SymbOS" link in the left menu to "Operating Systems". Then we can have a list of OSs for the CPC there. It would be a better entry point! --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 20:40, 10 August 2006 (CEST)

::Hm, I don't know. In this case you have to place all categories from the "serious software" articel in the sidebar. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 21:00, 10 August 2006 (CEST)

:::Argh... ;) --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 21:24, 10 August 2006 (CEST)

== What's about respecting some rules? ==

As this is not Wikipedia but our own scene CPCWiki, I wouldn't like to force the articles to follow strict rules, but at least the following two rules should be respected by everyone:
* no advertisment-like phrases
* no false information

The following parts in this article should be removed and replaced in a section like "possible plans for the future":
* IDE support (mentioned several times, and first I mixed v8 with v9, but as it should only be a possible part of v9 [and now even v8 isn't released], it will not be implemented before 2007 or later, right?)
* CPC Booster support (you can't call an entry in the port monitor "support")
* Multi tasking (I couldn't find any references)
If I am wrong, and these features are already implemented in FutureOS and ready for download, please provide us a link.

Some other parts should also be removed:
* One-drive restriction of other OSs (nearly every OS can do this, even Amsdos allows drive letters in a path)
* Advertisment-like phrases (e.g. "FutureOS is for programmers who want to use the CPC at its limits" and other ones; these should be better placed on a homepage but not in a Wiki)
-- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 00:05, 9 August 2006 (CEST)

:I sense a scene fight coming on, I'm afraid... I do not wish to take any part in it, especially since I do not know anything about the common history of projects, but I hope it stays off the wiki!
::Well, in general it is quite easy to follow some necessary rules, so I am not afraid about fights. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 10:24, 9 August 2006 (CEST)

:I'll have to agree with some of Prodatron's remarks. The article needs heavy editing (I have altered several points myself, more is needed) so as to not appear as a commercial for FutureOS but more like an objective article. Also, at points it becomes more of a manual than an article on the OS itself.

:That said, even in Symbiface there was the phrase: ''It provides nearly everything you need to change your CPC into a powerful work station!'' which is more of the same :)
::Yes, that's right. I think someone just copied & pasted this from the homepage ;) -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 10:24, 9 August 2006 (CEST)

:To get back to Prodatron's remarks, if his points are valid the article should be corrected. If ''system .9'', as it is called in the article, indeed refers to FutureOS v9 then I also think that it should be re-written, especially since not even v8 has been released (really looking forward to it!).

:In general, I would urge '''ALL''' contributors who are also developers, to try and keep their usual enthusiasm (read: ego ;) ) at a low, since we are trying to do an objective work and not promote one or the other product... Thanks! [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 09:47, 9 August 2006 (CEST)

I have cleaned up the whole artice, removed advertisment-like phrases, re-wrote sentences that sounded too much like advertising and thigthened the language. Articles should contain no false or biased statements in any form. Keep it clear, true, neutral and objective. This is what I tried to accomplish when editing this article.
- 2006-08-09; Gwildor -
:Thanks for your effort Gwildor! The article looks a bit more polished now. --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 14:07, 9 August 2006 (CEST)

I think the maximum file size currently is 512KB (19bit). I couldn't find any possibilities to load data from files, which are bigger than 512KB. Why is 16MB/24bit mentioned in the article? Also a planned feature for the future? -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 17:02, 9 August 2006 (CEST)

The maximum file-size depends on the free space on disc-hard-disc or it is limited by a 24 Bit file-length code. Just look at the manual. You can use routines like TEILA or TEISI to load or save files greater then 576 KB. TFM

== Looks good now ==

Thanx to everybodys' effort the article looks a lot better now. I wouldn't call "CPC Booster support" like this, but who cares. What's about summarising some very small sections and maybe removing some user-manual-like sentences? -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 17:44, 10 August 2006 (CEST)
:Sumarised all sections which contained only 1 or 2 sentences and removed the FioLib text in its own article. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 19:16, 10 August 2006 (CEST)

Thank you for your excellent help. TFM

== Protection ==

This part of the discussion has been deleted; please do not roll back.

The reason I deleted it is because it turned into a flame, and also because some people do not understand how to format their edits by using semi-colons to keep the thread flow easy to understand. As a result it was a flame that was very hard to follow. I will just keep the following:

The article will remain locked for the time being. It's really unfortunate that events are taking such a turn, at a time when the wiki is expanding at a good rate, which means that someone will have to keep an eye on all that is being written. Let's see if the discussion cools down a bit, then decide.

That said, the initial article and subsequent edits were nothing less than shameless plugs for FutureOS. If you want to publish a plug, put it on your Profile page -- '''provided you create one''' and that you do not post anonymously! Why is it so darn hard to understand this??? [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 19:42, 29 August 2006 (CEST)

How to plug for something, which costs no money?

Talk:FutureOS

2006-09-05T01:10:56Z

84.151.237.42: /* Protection */

==Questions...==

Hmm.. are there any applications for Future OS?
And can i really add any device and it will be recommended by the system without any device driver?
Unbelievable!! and much better than SymbOS then, isn't it? (Forgott to sign.. sorry.. but as i don't fear anything... here i am... [[User:Kangaroo|Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT]] 07:59, 28 August 2006 (CEST)

:Who are you? What is your name? Fear to sign? You seem not to be serious. But I try to answer serious.
:First you can't compare SymbOS and FutureOS. They're too different and therefore I use them both.
:Software for FutureOS is availabe in the Yahoo-Group, where you can download it.
:And yes, I try to support nearly all hardware for the CPC. Ok, some is still missing, but this will change soon I hope.
:About features: Ok, I haven't finished the new documentation in english. But if I look at other projects, I have to believe, so believe me too.
:That would only be fair.
:I have no time to explain the 126th time where some support function ist. RTFM, but the new version coming soon.

:Greets to all honest CPC sceners,
:TFM

:: Please try to keep your tone down. I'm letting this here as an example of what NOT to say. RTFM is NOT part of the language that will be tolerated here, if we want to keep a flame war out of our wiki; so please keep this in mind. And please don't jump to conclusions - several users still do not know about signing their entries! It seems to me the original poster was more positive than negative, so you could try and calmly answer to his questions, otherwise there's no reason in replying at all. This is NOT a debate room, and fights will NOT ('''NOT!''') be welcome here. You do not need to be apologetic (as you are in a couple of points) about anything that FutureOS may be lacking, since it's a wonderful system anyhow, but also taking it to the other extreme doesn't exactly help things either.

::Best regards,
::[[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 16:02, 10 August 2006 (CEST)

:::RTFM means Read The Futureos Manual, so where is the problem? That guy (without name) is allowed to vandalish my text? Why don't you stop him?

:::Anyhow, and why don't talk about something other very unfair. At the left side, below "the present" there is a line for SymbOS, why not FutueOS. I would like to please you to insert that line.

:::Greets
:::TFM

::::Can we please stop hiding behind our finger? We all know what RTFM means, so please drop it. I assume almost everyone here is of at least average IQ... As I said, this languages is NOT permitted on board. What's more, what do you mean about that guy being allowed to vandalise your text? What did he vandalise? What should I stop? I think there might be a big misunderstanding here... Anyhow, about the SIdebar, I don't think it's 'very unfair', as I've explained before. FutureOS may be indeed very, very nice a project and I find myself playing with it the whole time, but SymbOS, with the existing Symbiface, has long ago reached critical mass and is very impressive and popular, that's why it had its own link. This is NOT an issue of 'put my project up there along with the others', it's trying to organise things in a better way. In any case, the Sidebar was changed a lot, I'm going to look into it... [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 08:16, 11 August 2006 (CEST)

:That's something, which came to my mind very often! We should change the "SymbOS" link in the left menu to "Operating Systems". Then we can have a list of OSs for the CPC there. It would be a better entry point! --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 20:40, 10 August 2006 (CEST)

::Hm, I don't know. In this case you have to place all categories from the "serious software" articel in the sidebar. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 21:00, 10 August 2006 (CEST)

:::Argh... ;) --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 21:24, 10 August 2006 (CEST)

== What's about respecting some rules? ==

As this is not Wikipedia but our own scene CPCWiki, I wouldn't like to force the articles to follow strict rules, but at least the following two rules should be respected by everyone:
* no advertisment-like phrases
* no false information

The following parts in this article should be removed and replaced in a section like "possible plans for the future":
* IDE support (mentioned several times, and first I mixed v8 with v9, but as it should only be a possible part of v9 [and now even v8 isn't released], it will not be implemented before 2007 or later, right?)
* CPC Booster support (you can't call an entry in the port monitor "support")
* Multi tasking (I couldn't find any references)
If I am wrong, and these features are already implemented in FutureOS and ready for download, please provide us a link.

Some other parts should also be removed:
* One-drive restriction of other OSs (nearly every OS can do this, even Amsdos allows drive letters in a path)
* Advertisment-like phrases (e.g. "FutureOS is for programmers who want to use the CPC at its limits" and other ones; these should be better placed on a homepage but not in a Wiki)
-- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 00:05, 9 August 2006 (CEST)

:I sense a scene fight coming on, I'm afraid... I do not wish to take any part in it, especially since I do not know anything about the common history of projects, but I hope it stays off the wiki!
::Well, in general it is quite easy to follow some necessary rules, so I am not afraid about fights. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 10:24, 9 August 2006 (CEST)

:I'll have to agree with some of Prodatron's remarks. The article needs heavy editing (I have altered several points myself, more is needed) so as to not appear as a commercial for FutureOS but more like an objective article. Also, at points it becomes more of a manual than an article on the OS itself.

:That said, even in Symbiface there was the phrase: ''It provides nearly everything you need to change your CPC into a powerful work station!'' which is more of the same :)
::Yes, that's right. I think someone just copied & pasted this from the homepage ;) -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 10:24, 9 August 2006 (CEST)

:To get back to Prodatron's remarks, if his points are valid the article should be corrected. If ''system .9'', as it is called in the article, indeed refers to FutureOS v9 then I also think that it should be re-written, especially since not even v8 has been released (really looking forward to it!).

:In general, I would urge '''ALL''' contributors who are also developers, to try and keep their usual enthusiasm (read: ego ;) ) at a low, since we are trying to do an objective work and not promote one or the other product... Thanks! [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 09:47, 9 August 2006 (CEST)

I have cleaned up the whole artice, removed advertisment-like phrases, re-wrote sentences that sounded too much like advertising and thigthened the language. Articles should contain no false or biased statements in any form. Keep it clear, true, neutral and objective. This is what I tried to accomplish when editing this article.
- 2006-08-09; Gwildor -
:Thanks for your effort Gwildor! The article looks a bit more polished now. --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 14:07, 9 August 2006 (CEST)

I think the maximum file size currently is 512KB (19bit). I couldn't find any possibilities to load data from files, which are bigger than 512KB. Why is 16MB/24bit mentioned in the article? Also a planned feature for the future? -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 17:02, 9 August 2006 (CEST)

== Looks good now ==

Thanx to everybodys' effort the article looks a lot better now. I wouldn't call "CPC Booster support" like this, but who cares. What's about summarising some very small sections and maybe removing some user-manual-like sentences? -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 17:44, 10 August 2006 (CEST)
:Sumarised all sections which contained only 1 or 2 sentences and removed the FioLib text in its own article. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 19:16, 10 August 2006 (CEST)

Thank you for your excellent help. TFM

== Protection ==

This part of the discussion has been deleted; please do not roll back.

The reason I deleted it is because it turned into a flame, and also because some people do not understand how to format their edits by using semi-colons to keep the thread flow easy to understand. As a result it was a flame that was very hard to follow. I will just keep the following:

The article will remain locked for the time being. It's really unfortunate that events are taking such a turn, at a time when the wiki is expanding at a good rate, which means that someone will have to keep an eye on all that is being written. Let's see if the discussion cools down a bit, then decide.

That said, the initial article and subsequent edits were nothing less than shameless plugs for FutureOS. If you want to publish a plug, put it on your Profile page -- '''provided you create one''' and that you do not post anonymously! Why is it so darn hard to understand this??? [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 19:42, 29 August 2006 (CEST)

How to plug for something, which costs no money?

News:Burgparty 2 will take place in december in Germany

2006-09-04T22:52:13Z

84.151.237.42: /* Expected participants */

[[Image:freusburg.gif|thumb|330px|The Freusburg in Kirchen/Germany]]

'''03. September 2006'''

While the [[Burgparty 1]] was the first german CPC party of 2006, the [[Burgparty 2]] will be the last one of this year.

== Where and When? ==

It will take place...
* Location: '''Kirchen (Sieg)'''
* Start: '''Friday, 01.12.2006'''
* End: '''Sunday, 03.12.2006'''

The location is the '''Freusburg''' in Kirchen, which is an old castle from the middle age. This castle is now used as a youth hostel, which has some very big advantages for beeing a party place. Kirchen itself is close to Siegen (one hour from Cologne in east direction).

== How? ==

Like last time the party will feature a complete all-inclusive-package:
* Breakfast and lunch at saturday and sunday
* Dinner at saturday
* a real bed for the two nights
* and of course a very nice historical environment ;-)
...for the costs of about 48 Euros.

== Costs and Registration ==

Unfortunately that also means, that we have to pay the costs for the youth hostel again in advance. So it is necessary, that all registered persons have to transfer the money even in advance to the organisators
Bankaccount.

As the Internet is a very insecure place, we can not place a Bank-adress inhere public :-/
So please send an eMail to > drzed A T ngi D O T de < if you want to registrate yourself for the Burgparty II.
ASAP after i got your eMail, i'll send you my bank-account, so that you can transfer
the above-mentioned 48 Euro onto it.
Please use "BurgPartyII Registration, %your-name%" as the Subject in your Registration-eMail!

For questions you also may contact Prodatron: mika A T prodatron D O T net

The deadline for the registrations is the 18.09.2006. We can't guarantee to accept later registrations, as the managers of the youth hostel force us to pay one week after the reservation.

== Web links ==

* [http://www.jewa-media.de/kunden/jugend-sommercamp/freusburg.html Information about the Freusburg (German)]
* [http://www.hostelz.com/l/de/hostel/20805-Jugendherberge-Freusburg Information about the Freusburg (English)]
* [http://www.jewa-media.de/kunden/jugend-sommercamp/freusburgweg.html Location plan]

== Expected participants ==

* [[Dr.Zed]]
* [[Kangaroo MusiQue]] of [[HJT]] near Augsburg!
* [[Prodatron]]
* [[TFM]]
* [[Villain]]

[[Category:News 2006-09]]